of the Rivendell Bicycle Works Owner's Bunch Mailing List
May 2010 - #10
group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 1340
members, having added more than 150 new people since the beginning
of the year. Some have quietly lurked, a few have contributed
a bit and others have pushed themselves well into the flow. There's
been a bit of bumping and jostling now and again of late, but
I wanted to start by thanking everyone who has continued to make
this a positive and interesting discussion.
the newer members, I use this message as a reminder of some of
the basic tenets of the list, to highlight changes and trends
on the list and various websites, and to speak generally about
the RBW group.
of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves
by what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I
don't think that Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing".
Rather, they emphasize the things they enjoy - riding bicycles
where ever they can under any conditions, camping under the stars,
being comfortable - in short, just enjoying the ride. That way,
you don't have to have an argument about racing vs. comfort. You
can have a discussion about what is great about either.
And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
that, maybe it's helpful for me to share one of the ways I think
about this list - as a public house where ideas are easily shared
between those who have arrived, everyone is present because they
want to be, and passing through the doors means that "baggage"
is left outside.
course, disruptions will periodically occur, which is kind of
where I have to attempt a polite correction now and again.
of the things I found very interesting was how many members emailed
me directly, when I commented a couple weeks back about the general
trend of recent topics to drift and generalize. It was interesting
to hear how many people thought they'd been the cause of my post,
and in more than a few cases, I had to go back and re-read their
contributions to the discussion, as most of them weren't really
the ones which caused my comment.
I think it speaks highly for everyone that they had taken some
of the assumption of cause, even if it wasn't the case. I responded
directly to most of you, but if I didn't let me use this space
to thank you both for your contributions and your willingness
to temper your posts.
speak directly to the "topic" issue, there are a number of drivers
which can cause issues - not the least of which is the number
of people now on the list. If everyone just makes one post a month,
that means 1341 posts, or somewhere around 37 per day in an average
I'm not saying that we shouldn't discuss things - that would sort
of undercut the whole "list" thing, eh?
does mean, however, that just by staying on topic, we're going
to generate a fair amount of traffic. One of the hallmarks of
this list has been a very high signal to noise ratio. It's solid
information from the people using and thinking about the items.
we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real,
live rides among the members. All good stuff.
I see that the day's RBW emails outpace that of the iBob list,
it makes me worry a little. I don't know if there's been a fall
off of discussion there, or a migration of more general iBob topics
to this group. But, there have been days when the traffic here
outpaced iBob by a factor of 2 or 3.
really what I was concerned about: what seemed to be a certain
amount of momentum in the amount of non-RBW posts, questions and
topics, particularly among the newer members.
to give the RBW group silverbacks a free pass, but when someone
who has regularly posted about Riv-specific topics for a number
of years makes a more general post or shares a fantastic ride
report that doesn't involve a Rivendell, I'm going to try to keep
it in the context of their overall contribution to the list.
the same token, it's important to remember that if you are tagging
your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it doesn't belong on this
is a different issue.
view is simple: life is too short. If you can't stay positive
or at least polite, it's time to put down the keyboard and take
a break. We all get enough guff in our everyday existence that
we don't need to add to it here.
I've said before, disagreement is expected. There's no way we
will all come to the same conclusion about anything, and I think
it would be a more boring world if we did. But, here, under this
roof, we agree to disagree with respect for one another.
finish, I'll repeat what I said in the last SOTLR - it is important
as we grow to honor the relatively narrow focus of this group,
even though it's tempting to have more general topics discussed
here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect border, but one which
we've largely maintained.
discussions end as they creep toward more general topics, not
having to have the last comment (or needing to "win" the argument)
and, above all, maintaining the respect for one another within
the group is what makes this list special.
always, thanks again for contributing to or simply enjoying the
Projects and Features
too much this month. My recent focus has been on some personal
things, work, other work and trying to streamline my workflow
on the Cyclofiend.com galleries. I now have announcements of the
Gallery additions here:
poems added to the Hilsen page:
(For those who don't know, when the AHomerHilsen.com site existed,
there was a call for poetry, stories, limericks and odes, for
which there was a $20 credit offered. Unfortunately, the site
is offline (not Riv's fault), and those writings generally inaccessible)
color touch-up reference page updated:
RBW Streams and Info
Cyclofiend.com RBW pages are here:
gets updated with various happenings, scans, images and such that
get found in the news and info flow.
I did create a "Rivendell Bicycle Owners Bunch on Facebook" page
back in the beginning of 2009 -
got a recent push from another RBW fan page started by group member
Michael, for sending folks over!
note: I'm certainly not a Facebook* at all, and honestly don't
check in that regularly with the group (now at 151 members), and
in no way do I see it as a replacement for this group. As I mentioned,
I finally signed up a while ago for unrelated-to-bicycle reasons,
and had bumped into quite a few folks there. It seemed like it
might be a useful platform for coordinating rides in specific
areas or for more quick-pinging type of communications.
fact, I've more or less stayed away. You can and should search
about previous and ongoing Facebook issues with private user information,
internal viruses, etc. before deciding if you want to mess with
it. Some of that's life in the online world, but it's worth being
RBW Flickr Groups -
much prefer the control over personal info which Flickr allows.
It does support messaging and discussions there as well, and many
of us were using Flickr for social networking before Facebook
to be outdone, another has popped up in Minnesota -
but there has been a ride announced for June 6th
have also been Flickr groups created for:
Staff Bikes - http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwstaffbikes/
Commuters - http://www.flickr.com/groups/rivendellcommuters/
A. Homer Hilsen - http://www.flickr.com/groups/1256590@N22/
Bombadil - http://www.flickr.com/groups/bombadil/
Bleriot - http://www.flickr.com/groups/bleriot/
Quickbeam - http://www.flickr.com/groups/quickbeam/
General Topics (From Previous Issues)
Broader technical questions and non-Riv stuff are well covered
by the iBob list, the 650B list and others hosted by alex wetmore
on bikelist.org - http://www.bikelist.org
- This is also where you can find the pre-March '07 archives to
the RBW list. Peter White runs the "Bicycle Lifestyle" google
group, which is here - http://groups.google.com/group/bicyclelifestyle
Resources get put onto the RBW-Owners-Bunch pages here:
Most are either mirrored or enhanced here: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw
The Official RBW Gallery is on Flickr -
Of course, my feelings get hurt if you don't send photos to the
Current Classics (or other) Galleries ;^) http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc
Our FAQ continues to exist! The FAQ has one Q which was A'd enough.
Posts from new members (or old members changing their email) are
moderated. So, it means that if someone joins, their first messages
will have to get my (or an acting list admin's) OK before being
sent to everyone. If you want to bypass this or speed it up a
bit, send me an email so I know you aren't a spammer. If your
first posts are "For Sale" items, then you will not be switched
over to unmoderated until you join in the discussion at large.
Posts to the list are by default distributed to everyone. That
means if you wish to make a private comment, you need to change
the "TO:" information. It's also easy to make that mistake, so
please don't jump on folks who do so.
- Bug reports for the Rivendell website should be sent to email@example.com
should include the browser, system and specific issue in the email.
RSS feeds for the RBW Owners Bunch group in many formats can be
found here: http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/feeds
Earlier SOTL reports are archived here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/sotlr
Statistics & Housekeeping
began: March 26, 2007
1341 (Up from 1184 on 12/12/09, increase of 157)
Medium activity (Unchanged)
2010 was our highest traffic month so far, with 2365 posts.
This followed March, 2010 which had 2019; Jan '10 which had 1897;
and December '09 which finished at 1604.
first month with more than 1000 posts was December, 2008.
addition to email delivery, the list can be viewed via the web
you wish to turn off or restart email delivery, change to digest
mode, update your profile or make other changes, simply log in
at the page above and make the changes you desire.
is as easy as an email. But, don't send it to the group or to
me - All posts (including this SOTL message) contain a footer
with the appropriate address.
Rivendell Owners Bunch list is "dedicated to the discussion of
Rivendell Bicycles and products, you don't need to own one - just
an interest in RBW designs is enough to join in. Ride reports
encouraged, as is a respectful, supportive and polite tone in
all posts. This group is not endorsed by Rivendell Bicycle Works."
stated, this list is a discussion of things Rivendellian in nature
and is not associated with Rivendell Bicycle Works or its employees
and staff. If you have specific questions for Rivendell Bicycle
Works regarding customer service or other issues, you should contact
I'd be more than happy to continue the discussion on any of the
topics mentioned above, but in the interest of clarity, it might
make sense to either email me directly or to create a new topic
thread specific to your comment.
again for your contributions and enjoyment of the list.
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